Evolution debate

David William Beck
Your right, Evolution isn’t true….. The truth is there is an old magical man in the sky with magical powers who made us in the most extraordinary way. Some people wrote a few books about this guy with some rules you can pick and choose from. There’s no proof…. but we believe in the old magic man anyhow it’s so obvious!

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Whats your proof of evolution sir? Telling me that I shouldn’t believe in God? IS that really all you’ve got? Show me where the rubber hits the road. Show me a species turning into another. Show me some information gaining process.

David William Beck
Hello. I’m just trying to say that there is overwhelming evidence for evolution and none for God. 95% of Christians in the UK believe in evolution anyhow. I’m very sorry to say that…. because you said ‘Show me a species turning into another’ you clearly don’t have any clue about what the theory of evolution is. It’s such a shame in an English speaking country you’ve had such a poor education, I’m not blaming you for your beliefs, it’s more pity.

David William Beck
I should answer your questions if you want me to
Creatures are changing all the time. You get around half your DNA (the code that affects so much of who you are) from your mum and dad. it’s basic but important.

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Show me some proof, I should say it’s so sad that you are brainwashed into believing macro-evolution and cannot cite a specific example. How’s that?

David William Beck
Ok, I can state examples
do you believe in selective breeding (like breeding a cow to produce more milk or a pig to produce more fat)
it’s been around for centuries. You should know the basic’s anyhow.

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Is cow breeding macro-evolution, a species turing into another and information gaining?

David William Beck
that’s an example of macro human lead evolution, it’s hard to deny.
Yes it is
a simple one,

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
You do NOT know what macro-evolution is, my friend.

David William Beck
Yes I do

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Clearly you just proved otherwise

David William Beck
animals take many years to change. smaller, faster reproducing ones change faster

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Show me some proof

David William Beck
Ok, what sort of proof would you like?
Do you believe human’s helped change wolves into dogs?
That’s an example of macro evolution.

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
of a species gaining information and gaining new novel features, like an elephant trunk, a long neck, complex eyes

David William Beck
Ohhhhh of course I can. These things evolved over, normally millions of years
You see a small change in a creatures DNA gives it an advantage, and over many years these changes, through trial and error add up
If horses with longer necks get more food, than the genes for long necks become more popular
give it a few hundred thousand years and we have giraffe’s
Additionally we gain new information every day, with every cold, virus, etc.
BRB… 2 minutes,

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
That is quite an unproven theory, you are referring to variation, dogs and wolves are from same species. There is no way a single cell bacteria could gain infomation to turn into a human
I’ll catch up tomorrow if you care to debate, Regards

David William Beck
In evolution the idea is that we all share one common ancestor, so we are all in a way the same species, all life related
I’m back
Dog’s and wolves have diverged from each other, but not by that much.
Other creatures diverged at an earlier time, but all life is related like I said
In Christianity all human’s are related to Adam. In evolution we are also all related to common ancestor. Tell me, Was Adam Black?… How did the human race gain so many variations without evolution? Was it *God’s magic* or maybe God designed evolution as part of his system.
**Also all the answers you seek are readily available. If your genuinely interested maybe have a look at some, or watch some TV shows about the natural world.

David William Beck
Mutation’s the classic way that cells gain information, every human has on average 10 mutations. Think about mankind like a painting, starting with a single brush stroke and the building up…. in this case over 1 billion years. Have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

Timeline of evolutionary history of life – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This timeline of evolution of life outlines the major events in the development of life on planet Earth since it originated until the present day. In biology, evolution is any change across successive generations in the heritable characteristics of biological populations. Evolutionary processes give…

David William Beck
When you read this could you please tell me what your problems with the theory of evolution are and I will try and answer them. Additionally what’s the alternative to evolution? Do you think it’s possible that some old nasty judgmental God thing did all this? Is there any more proof that God did it that the sugar plumb fairy?
December 18, 2012

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
You are stating that mutations are information gaining? I heartily disagree with you. Look all all the diseases caused by mutations/genetic disorders and tell me which represent helpful, informational gaining ones:
Achondroplasia – most common genetic cause of dwarfism
Achromatopsia – visual acuity loss, colorblindness, light sensitivity, and nystagmus
Acid Maltase Deficiency – accumulation of glycogen stored in muscles causing respiratory failure
Albinism – little or no production of melanin in hair, skin, and iris of the eyes
Alzheimer’s Disease – most common form of dementia
Angelman Syndrome – intellectual and developmental delays, severe speech impairment and problems in movement and balance, recurrent seizures and small heads
Bardet-Biedl Syndrome – obesity, polydactyly, deterioration of rod and cone cells, mental retardation and defect in the gonads, and kidney disease
Barth Syndrome – mutations or alterations in the BTHS gene, heart defects, poor skeletal musculature, short stature, mitochondrial abnormalities, and deficiency of white blood cells
Bipolar Disorder – highly elevated moods due to genetic and environmental factors
Bloom Syndrome – high frequency of breaks and rearrangements in the chromosomes
Canavan Disease – steady damage to nerve cells in the brain
Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease – touch sensation and loss of muscle tissue
Color Blindness – inability of differentiating among certain colors
Cri-du-Chat Syndrome – spontaneous deletion of a segment of chromosome 5 during formation of egg or sperm or during early stages of fetal development
Cystic Fibrosis – autosomal recessive disorder secreting mucus and sweat
Down Syndrome – abnormal cell division of chromosome 21
Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy – rapidly gradual muscle weakness and damaged muscular tissue in the pelvis and legs
Fatty Oxidation – inability to oxidize (breakdown) fatty acids
Fragile X Syndrome – inherited form of mental retardation
Galactosemia – body’s inability to break down galactose
Hailey-Hailey Disease – blistering rashes on body folds
Hemophilia – body’s inability to control bleeding (interior or exterior, or both)
Huntington’s Disease – production of a faulty protein instead of the normal “huntingtin” protein
Jackson-Weiss Syndrome – foot abnormalities and premature fusion of bones in the skull
Klinefelter Syndrome – abnormal testicular evolution and decreased fertility
Krabbe Disease – mutation in the GALC gene
Langer-Giedion Syndrome – deletion or mutation of at least two genes on chromosome 8
Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome – deficiency of the enzyme hypoxanthine-guanine phosphoribosyltransferase (HPRT)
Lowe Syndrome – physical and mental retardation
Marfan Syndrome – genetic disorder of the connective tissue
Muscular Dystrophy – progressive weakening and breaking down of muscle fibers
Myotonic Dystrophy – wasting of the muscles, cataracts, heart conduction defects, endocrine changes, and myotonia
Nail-Patella Syndrome – lack of nail and knee caps
Neurofibromatosis – development of tumors along the different nerves and evolution of non-nervous tissues, like skin and bones
Noonan Syndrome – heart malformations, short stature, characteristic facial features, impaired blood clotting, and indentation of the chest
Osteogenesis Imperfecta – weakened muscles, brittle bones, curved spine, and impaired hearing
Parkinson’s Disease – impairment of the central nervous system
Patau Syndrome – non-disjunction of chromosome 13
Phenylketonuria – mental retardation, seizures, or brain damage
Porphyria – accumulation of porphyrin or its precursors in the body
Prune Belly Syndrome – presence of mass of wrinkled skin on the abdomen
Retinoblastoma – cancer of the retina
Rett Syndrome – decreased rate of head growth, small hands and feet, disabilities related to learning communication, coordination and speech
Russell Silver Syndrome – poor growth, low birth weight, short height, and differences in the size of the two sides of the body
Sanfilippo Syndrome – deficiency in one of the enzymes needed to break down the glycosaminoglycan heparan sulfate
Schizencephaly – abnormal development of the brain
Shwachman Syndrome – exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, bone marrow dysfunction, skeletal abnormalities, and short stature
Sickle Cell Anemia – blood disorder causing sickling of the red blood cells
Smith-Lemli-Opitz Syndrome – distinctive facial features, small head size (microcephaly), intellectual disability or learning problems, and behavioral problems
Spina Bifidia – malformations of the spinal cord
TAR Syndrome – absence of the radius bone in the forearm and reduced platelet count
Tay-Sachs Disease – damage of the nerve cells in brain and spinal cord
Turner Syndrome – lack of either one whole or a part of an X chromosome
Usher Syndrome – deafness and progressive loss of vision
Von Hippel-Lindau Syndrome – formation of tumors and fluid-filled sacs (cysts) in different parts of the body
Waardenburg Syndrome – varying degrees of deafness and changes in hair and skin pigmentation
Wilson’s Disease – body’s inability to get rid of excess copper in the body
Xeroderma Pigmentosum – inability of the DNA to repair damage caused due to ultraviolet rays
XXXX Syndrome – two extra copies of the X chromosome in females
XXX Syndrome – extra copy of the X chromosome in females
XYY Syndrome – extra copy of the Y chromosome in males
I am amazed to see that an evolutionist as yourself is without hostility, your cohorts are full of it.
December 18, 2012

David William Beck
hello. That’s a good list of mutations you have there, proof in it’s self that ether God was incredibly sloppy (or enjoys watching us suffer) or that we evolved. There are indeed many beneficial mutations, infant everything about us evolved over time. I could of course give you many examples of changes our species has undergone throughout time (even back to the first animal cell), but i’ll just focus on two for now. The miR-941 gene mutation very quickly gave the human race superior intelligence, a significant advantage.
A recent mutation that’s become very popular is the ability to digest dairy products using lactase. There was a time when the entire human race couldn’t digest milk after the first few years of life. The mutation that allowed people to digest milk was of course very beneficial and allowed people with it to get more nutrition and survive better. Nearly all of us Europeans have the gene, but in parts of Asia like China and Japan where milk isn’t in the diet they don’t have it. (look it up)
Natural selection will generally favor healthier creatures better able to survive, and so their genes become more numerous. This isn’t theory, it’s cold hard fact being used on a daily basis around the world on a daily basis.
I’m going to be controversial for a second here. If you look at athletic ability around the world, parts of Africa, like Kenya produce the worlds best distance runners. Genetically they are unparalleled at distance running. In parts of the world, like Jamaica former slaves were selectively bread for power and indeed these places have the best powers runners in the world. You believe in genes, you believe in mutations, you believe in natural selection, What part of evolution don’t you agree with?
**On a side note, you asked how we gain genetic information, well you stated above XXX syndrome, I don’t know how good you are with math but it’s clear there are more than 2 X’s and it’s proof that the amount of genetic information can change over time.

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
The benefits that you discuss are simply variation and are not at all molecules to man evolution, in fact, just the opposite. As for milk intolerance, it is in fact normal to be that way, when children are weaned off of milk is a gene not being switched off, not an example of new genetic information. As for blacks being good athletes, I could go into a whole diatribe for reasons why it appears that way now, but perhaps not earlier or in the future and much has to do with culture. Why are some white athletes better then other whites? variation is all.
IS the mir-941 gene just one in a myriad that makes us different from naked mole rats?
So what mutations do you cite that can give rise from a simple cell to a complete creature? Do you know the disastrous narrative about the fruitflies?
December 20, 2012

David William Beck
Hello, I’ll write some more tomorow.
for now have a look at this:
The basic timeline of a 4.6 billion year old Earth, with approximate dates:
3.6 billion years of simple cells (prokaryotes),
3.4 billion years of stromatolites demonstrating photosynthesis,
2 billion years of complex cells (eukaryotes),
1 billion years of multicellular life,
600 million years of simple animals,
570 million years of arthropods (ancestors of insects, arachnids and crustaceans),
550 million years of complex animals,
500 million years of fish and proto-amphibians,
475 million years of land plants,
400 million years of insects and seeds,
360 million years of amphibians,
300 million years of reptiles,
200 million years of mammals,
150 million years of birds,
130 million years of flowers,
65 million years since the dinosaurs died out,
2.5 million years since the appearance of the genus Homo,
200,000 years of anatomically modern humans,
25,000 years since the disappearance of Neanderthal traits from the fossil record.
13,000 years since the disappearance of Homo floresiensis from the fossil record.
What exactly don’t you understand? Ask Google.
You never did state an alternative to the main steam theory’s.
Ok, just for you. (from memory) One of the huge changes that happened to cells changing them from single cells to more complex cells was chance fusion of the Mitochondria and plant cells. Mitochondria produced huge amounts of energy and the plant cell could give stability. (see the time line above). The two worked really well and allowed for more complex life to evolve.
Do you have any idea how long a billion years is? It took a long time to happen but it did happen. Any more questions?
I’ll write more tomorow.

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
radiometric dating and c-14 are proving more unreliable with anomalys and disrepancies and possible false assumptions so the billions of years narrative may not be so. Things that have been stated to be millions of years old and still having carbon in them are proving troublesome. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no observers to record when they formed? Mount St. Helens,Washington in 1986 formed lava rocks that were dated up to 2.8 million years old !!! whats with that?
Anyway speaking of prokaryotes,eukaryotes where did the information come from that we see in DNA?
December 20, 2012

David William Beck
I don’t really care about dating technology. I know the earth is ancient. Just look at, for example the Grand cannon, that’s got to be many millions of years old. My own history in the UK goes back past 60,000 years and there are still artifacts from then, some on display in the British museum. What about the movements of the continents? they provide some accurate dating information. What about the layers of ice around the world that record many many thousands of years of history. We can use Red shift tech to date the universe as well as many other techniques. We of often meet at Stonehenge once a year for a huge party and that structures 5000 years old.
When you deny our history your insulting your ancestors and their struggle. Do you have any proof the world isn’t as old as everyone thinks?
December 20, 2012

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
This seems to be getting helter skelter as far as conversation goes. What I want to know is the proof of molecules to man evolution that makes evolution a fact.
December 24, 2012

David William Beck
hello, sorry I took so long to respond.
Proof of molecules to man evolution that makes evolution a fact? So your asking me to give you 3.6 billion years worth of data on the evolution of life?
For a start science does not deal in facts, rather theory’s. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution, as there is overwhelming evidence gravity’s real.
If you really want to know more there is a lot of literature on the subject. I have not personally read it but I would recommend you read:
The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution
Give it a go!
The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution
Richard Dawkins transformed our view of God in his blockbuster, The God Delusion, which sold more than 2 million copies in English alone. He revolutionized the way we see natural selection in the seminal bestseller The Selfish Gene. Now, he launches a fierce counterattack against proponents of “I…

David William Beck
Maybe you can recommend a good book for me to read that’s supporting the case against evolution, or other theory’s.
December 31, 2012

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Well, can macro evolution be tested and observed as science requires?
As for molecules to man, As for the many thousands of generations of bacteria observed, citrate adaptation is about all you have to show that bacteria is still just that, a bacteriam. Fruitflies, the same thing, NO speciation observed. How come?
January 2

David William Beck
it’s late and I’m tired. I’ll write a better response tomorow. There is an extremely strong case for macro evolution.
Still, what’s the alternative to macro evolution? Can you give supporting evidence for this view?
January 4

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
Well there, did you get your rest? Would you be awake enuf to venture a guess as to why no speciation has been observed with fruitflies? Over thousands of generations and mutations?

David William Beck
some creatures like fruit flies, even when genetically modified can revert to normal after some time, true. I’ve seen a fruit fly that’s been modified to have about 20 eyes.
Look, if you believe genetics works than clearly so does macro evolution. You also never answered my question.
Has life always been the same? No, There is a HUGE amount of data that suggests life changes over time. Just look at the human fossil record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
Could there be some magic man in the sky who made all life, the planet and the universe? No way! That’s ridiculous. Certainly the blundering buffoon described my most religions is a joke. There is absolutely no evidence, to any objective mind it’s madness.
So what’s left? Macro evolution so nicely describes how life came to be that it seems almost certain. Is there another alternative?

List of human evolution fossils – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following charts give a brief overview of several notable primatefossil finds relating to human evolution. As there are thousands of fossils, mostly fragmentary, often consisting of single bones or isolated teeth with complete skulls and skeletons rare,[1] this overview is not meant to be comple…

David William Beck
>Why have you changed topics from macro-evolution to Theology?
As far as I can tell there are two models of how life came to be. There is the ‘creation myth’, that some powerful being created some or all of the world, and an evolution based model. I may have assumed, that if your arguing against one then you may be in favour of the other.
Both the creation theory and an evolution based theory should be tested, and generally speaking the evidence overwhelmingly suggests an evolution based theory is far more likely.
I also strongly disagree with you about ‘The domain of supernatural is outside the scope of Science’. “How the universe and life was created” is one of the biggest questions in science and if it was created by an intelligent entity than of course its scientific fact. If science seeks the truth then of course the existence of God is a matter for science. For example if it’s real then where does it exist? What is it? How did it build something as complex as the universe?
I would argue the petrol analogy is a good one. Aren’t you looking for a supernatural explanation of how the
I also believe nature can be answered mathematically. There is a whole branch of science that deals with patterns and the structures of life forms in nature. There is a really good book on the subject, I’ll try and find out what it’s called and get back to you. It’s a truly amazing and beautiful subject.
Existence can, and does exist without a God. (Unless God’s many of the forces that bind the universe together like electromagnetism and gravity). There are alternative theory’s that seem far more likely about how we came to be than ‘there was a magic man in the sky who did it’. In the past the God theories were all we had, but I hope the human race is moving on from that now.
Religion seems to answer very few questions. You even said ‘There is mystical stuff we can’t understand’. Science is answering more questions every day about who we are and how we came to be whilst religion stays alive by perpetuating ignorance to maintain its control over most of the world’s people.
By proof I basically mean a reason to believe. Is there a reason to believe? I have never found one. There are a few reasons like ‘I will suffer if I don’t submit’ or ‘there is an old book that says…’, I would say personally I don’t find these arguments very persuasive…. But some others do.
I have a great deal of respect for the early Mohammedan scientists. They did lead the world in scientific thought at the time and I have read some of their work. I believe, based on what I read, that Islam should still be leading the world in science and technology, you have to wonder why it’s not. Of course the early Mohammedan scientists also believed the Greeks were hellhound.
DNA is of course a very beautiful code, one of the most beautiful and wonderful I have ever seen. If I ever have a child, it’s genetic code will be unique in the universe. It’s really nothing to do with God (Unless God hand crafts every sperm and egg and combines them, etc). It seems clear to me that even if God did start the universe it’s currently running without its intervention. Simple life has also been created from dead chemical components:
Don’t you think it’s possible, in a similar way the first life was created in a similar way to how we create life today? And that, over billions of years that life could change, adapt, mutate and evolve?
You also said that ‘common ancestry can easily mean common design.’ If this is true then animals can’t evolve from what they were created as. I have proof that macro evolution does happen, Please read the link below:
In the link above, Humans physically and significantly altered the behaviour, appearance and genetic code of the wild Silver fox. We have changed their nature and almost everything about them. In a short space of time, through breeding for tameness we created a new species. Clearly God didn’t do this, this was human focused macro evolution in action.
This means that, ether God made animals so that macro evolution is possible, or that life was not designed, I hope you understand.
Well I would say humanism was a sort of science, though you could argue it’s an art. Psychology, sociology, neurology and biology all seek to understand and explain human behaviour using science. Even economics’ has a go at trying to understand human and predict human actions.
The problem is all those messengers and prophets have had varying opinions about what we should be doing. Even within Islam the Shia and Sunni factions find things to disagree about.
I agree that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are related historically, and all three are popular, but with thousands of denominations in Christianity alone it’s hard to say they all share a common root. Also I don’t know if the polytheist Hindu faith’s share the same root. (am I right in saying the root is God)? I also wouldn’t count atheism as a faith because atheists simply don’t believe in a God. There are many atheist religions, for example Taoism and Shintoism in Japan. Atheists also aren’t a group and don’t share any beliefs or ideology’s, other than not believing there is no God.
I really don’t think it’s at all degrading to acknowledge the past struggles of our species and our drive to build a better world for our children. I’m sure you’ll agree Human technology has evolved, and that it’s not degrading to use stone tools. In the same way, every generation has battled to do the best they can to survive and it’s this fight to be better that has driven us to where we are. The first humans were believed to be amazing hunter gatherers. They had to be fast and smart and strong, migrating with the game to keep fed. Protein gave us significant advantages, allowing for brain and muscle development over many generations. The quest for land and food drove us out of Africa and around the word, Our large social brains and high intelligence giving us amazing adaptability in new environments. Later human technology advanced and we discovered various farming technology allowing us to build permanent towns and community’s. We domesticated animals and really advanced from there. Intelligence (especially verbal) is sexy and gave us significant advantages within the community. Do you think it’s degrading to be an athlete? We were never ‘monkey’s, we were and still are a kind of Ape. ‘Human even means ‘wise ape’. I don’t think being a human is degrading in the least bit.
>> Actually the so called “issue” of resources is one of massive mismanagement (by humans). The earth produces far more resources that can be consumed by 10x the number of the current global population.
I agree, if every human was to live in slums and farm, we could have a very large population, but what’s the point?
Still for many thousands of years before fossil fuel technology’s the global population was pretty stagnant. When these resources are exhausted is there any reason why we won’t return to the previous state: Only with a depleted biosphere and many other problems?
>>Why? why not just destroy everything? if you want to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist then you need to follow it to its logical conclusion which is nihilism, that is “no purpose, no meaning, no right, no wrong, no mind, no beauty, just nothingness”.
I disagree with your conclusion. Without religion we would still have culture, pleasure and pain, law (if only manmade), we create meaning and must search harder for what we want to do with our lives. Really nothing changes without God, people would still believe in religions and everything would be the same.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the universe is full of it. Just look at the beautiful fractal (and other) patterns in nature, the beauty of looking up at the stars, of a sunrise and sunset, and so much else.
Also all the research I’ve read says that atheists have a stronger sense of right and wrong, and are just as well behaved, even though they follow the law of man and not the law of God.
Thank you for the link, I will have a good read of the website.
Kind regards
David Beck

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January 9

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
David, that was a LONG post, I had to read twice to follow but time does not allow to address every point. The reason I say science does not explain everything becasue God is not “up in the sky” as you like to say, but in another dimension out of reach to us all mortals and science. You would dispute the existence of other realms? You are that sure of yourself that all you can sense is all that exists? Nothing more, you are certain?
So can macro evolution be tested and observed as science requires?
Have you seen a fruitfly turn into something other then a fruitfly? Even after thousands of generations, you get JUST THE OPPOSITE! A 20 eyed fruitfly has problems, this is de-evolution. How does macro-evolution clearly work, as you say, when never been observed?
January 19

David William Beck

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David William Beck
it’s cool if you want to ignore the evidence, I won’t be doing so. Still, if I had to worship one of those monstrous Christian Gods I would go with Lucifer, the light bringer, over Yahweh any day. I hope you don’t believe in ether, but if you must believe in them, you should give your patronage to the smarter, less violent, less bigoted one. Christian God’s killed billions of people and has no doubt inspired the most monstrous acts in the history of the world.

David William Beck

IS-Evolution A-Fraud
I’m back after losing my pwd, but oh well.
So you are an atheist and you use evolution to try to explain and justify not believing in God?

David William Beck
I’m sorry you lost your pwd, no I was an atheist from about age 6 onward. My first school was religious and the head mistress loved teaching the old testament to the kids. The idea this all powerful thing was reading my mind all the time, reading my thoughts made me crazy. It’s awful to tell a small child that if he thinks the wrong thing he could end up in hell. I enjoyed the stories and the religious songs we sung, but we were also taught to fear God. I just never really thought such an awful thing (god) could be real. Of course at that age I had never considered the origin of species.

David William Beck
even if I were religious I would of course believe in evolution because it’s such a beautiful idea with overwhelming evidence.